Grand final judiciary

[Super Freak]

No, just no. I can't believe this is the event you have been talking about.

FMD

I'll break it down because it seems people are having a hard time understanding the rule.

It's quite simple, it goes like this. ANY contact with the upper arm/shoulder while the arm is tucked is now and always will be a shoulder charge. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter if we think it's a shoulder charge or not. It doesn't matter if contact with the chest is made. It does not matter if he was using his arms to push him. All of that is irrelevant and does not matter in the slightest.

That has been a shoulder charge for years.. Because he's leading with the shoulder and making contact.

I would love to hear how it isn't..

 

[Super Freak]

**** guys, I have found 2 more shoulder charges the dragons did against us, I am livid they got away without charge.

How old are you? 12?

 

[Foordy]

Wow, the Slater/melb hate is far deeper than I thought.

it has nothing to do with Slater/Melb hate ...

Slater blatantly broke a rule, that any other week of the year would cost him a multiple week suspension.

and it's not like what he did is a "minor" offense ... especially after what happened to Akerman.

 

[Super Freak]

it has nothing to do with Slater/Melb hate ...

Slater blatantly broke a rule, that any other week of the year would cost him a multiple week suspension.

and it's not like what he did is a "minor" offense ... especially after what happened to Akerman.

I think the hatred for Slater/Storm probably does have something to do with it but it doesn’t change the fact he should be suspended.

However, we all know what the verdict is going to be.

 

[Foordy]

watch the NRL prove they are the most amateurish sporting organisation in the world tonight ...

reportedly ex storm forward Dallas Johnson and/or ex Roosters captain Sean Garlick could be on the panel to decide Slaters fate ... WTF

 

[Super Freak]

watch the NRL prove they are the most amateurish sporting organisation in the world tonight ...

reportedly ex storm forward Dallas Johnson and/or ex Roosters captain Sean Garlick could be on the panel to decide Slaters fate ... WTF

I don't think the NRL knows the meaning of the term conflict of interest.

Dallas Johnson is only still affiliated with the Melbourne Storm.

 

[Socnorb]

The reason Slaters SC wasn't as dangerous as some was because it was from the side of a player moving forward. Will this have any bearing on the judiciary. Who knows.

 

[Foordy]

The reason Slaters SC wasn't as dangerous as some was because it was from the side of a player moving forward. Will this have any bearing on the judiciary. Who knows.

the rules don't take into the danger to a player when defining an offence ... that only comes into it when deciding on the grade of the offence.

which is why he was only charged with a grade 1

 

[WASSHHH]

I'll break it down because it seems people are having a hard time understanding the rule.

It's quite simple, it goes like this. ANY contact with the upper arm/shoulder while the arm is tucked is now and always will be a shoulder charge. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter if we think it's a shoulder charge or not. It doesn't matter if contact with the chest is made. It does not matter if he was using his arms to push him. All of that is irrelevant and does not matter in the slightest.

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That has been a shoulder charge for years.. Because he's leading with the shoulder and making contact.

I would love to hear how it isn't..

I don’t see how a parallel can be drawn between the Boyd and Slater tackles.

Boyd is front on, perpendicular to Manu.
Manu’s torso is close to parallel to the ground.
I could understand calling this a chest bump, but not a shoulder charge.

Slater is side on, at 180 degrees to Feki.
In fact he would have had to twist his body to do so.
Feki’s torso is upright.
If Slater chose to, he could most certainly have lowered his body and attempted a conventional tackle.

The tackles are not even close to the same.

Regardless, Slater should (but won’t) be suspended.

 

[broncos4life]

I'll break it down because it seems people are having a hard time understanding the rule.

It's quite simple, it goes like this. ANY contact with the upper arm/shoulder while the arm is tucked is now and always will be a shoulder charge. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter if we think it's a shoulder charge or not. It doesn't matter if contact with the chest is made. It does not matter if he was using his arms to push him. All of that is irrelevant and does not matter in the slightest.

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That has been a shoulder charge for years.. Because he's leading with the shoulder and making contact.

I would love to hear how it isn't..

He isn't leading with the shoulder, first contact is with the chest.

If you are going to be condescending you might want to make sure you are correct first. Also, don't be shocked that people have a go at you when you are acting this way.

 

[broncos4life]

watch the NRL prove they are the most amateurish sporting organisation in the world tonight ...

reportedly ex storm forward Dallas Johnson and/or ex Roosters captain Sean Garlick could be on the panel to decide Slaters fate ... WTF

I'm surprised Slater's mother and wife haven't been included on the panel.

 

[Super Freak]

He isn't leading with the shoulder, first contact is with the chest.

If you are going to be condescending you might want to make sure you are correct first. Also, don't be shocked that people have a go at you when you are acting this way.

Oh don't give me that rubbish. If you all wanted to have a serious discussion about it, I would have been more than happy to.

Video shows differently. It shows Boyd turning his body with his arm tucked, contact is simultaneous which is still a shoulder charge. In fact, the front-on angle shows hardly any contact with the chest is made. It's mostly shoulder.

 

[mitch222]

Its ironic how some people are saying what was Slater supposed to do and that he was bracing impact but completely forget the legitimate tackle Holmes did on Addo Carr later in the game which was pretty much in the identical same situation. The NRL cant and shouldn't make exceptions just because its their last game/grand final. If this happens in round 4, they take the early guilty plea and no one bats an eye lid because it was a shoulder charge. He had no intention of wrapping the other arm

 

[Super Freak]

I don’t see how a parallel can be drawn between the Boyd and Slater tackles.

Boyd is front on, perpendicular to Manu.
Manu’s torso is close to parallel to the ground.
I could understand calling this a chest bump, but not a shoulder charge.

Slater is side on, at 180 degrees to Feki.
In fact he would have had to twist his body to do so.
Feki’s torso is upright.
If Slater chose to, he could most certainly have lowered his body and attempted a conventional tackle.

The tackles are not even close to the same.

Regardless, Slater should (but won’t) be suspended.

I wasn't referring to the tackles being the same. I was referring to the actions taken by the players being the same.

 

[1910]

watch the NRL prove they are the most amateurish sporting organisation in the world tonight ...

reportedly ex storm forward Dallas Johnson and/or ex Roosters captain Sean Garlick could be on the panel to decide Slaters fate ... WTF

There is only five to use. You could find a reason not to use all of them.

Lindner is a Queenslander and might go leniently on Slater.

Pretty impossible to not have links if you want ex players on the panel.

 

[Super Freak]

There is only five to use. You could find a reason not to use all of them.

Lindner is a Queenslander and might go leniently on Slater.

Pretty impossible to not have links if you want ex players on the panel.

I don't see why the panel can't be completely independent. People that have no links whatsoever.

Surely the NRL would have explored that.

 

[Foordy]

There is only five to use. You could find a reason not to use all of them.

Lindner is a Queenslander and might go leniently on Slater.

Pretty impossible to not have links if you want ex players on the panel.

they shouldn't be using ex players either IMO ...

but it is a definite conflict of interest to have former team mates deciding on a players fate ... same as it is a conflict to have a former player in the video refs box for a game his old team is playing in (but that is an issue for another day)

 

[1910]

they shouldn't be using ex players either IMO ...

but it is a definite conflict of interest to have former team mates deciding on a players fate ... same as it is a conflict to have a former player in the video refs box for a game his old team is playing in (but that is an issue for another day)

The idea was that ex players better understand situations. You get a panel of lawyers sitting there you’ll get decisions that don’t understand the game.