VOTE Anthony Seibold Discussion

Should Seibold be sacked immediately?

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theshed said:
“I’ve never heard of this... Anthony Deibold fella, but I really like his moustache and glasses - 5 year deal!” - Paul White
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“Hello, my name is Anthony Dlobies”

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I'm just pretty sure that Bennett was the only person capable of telling the board and rest of the club to **** off and let him work and had the aura to get what he wanted from the players. If you've got players running behind the coaches back crying to someone else and undermining your coaching decisions then you're basically stuffed.

Certain players have obvious ego and attitude problems and by them undermining the coach they have undermined the whole team. We can easily see who those players are, they are the ones running around earning big money and doing very little and keeping their spot in the team regardless of performance.
 
Organix said:
I'm just pretty sure that Bennett was the only person capable of telling the board and rest of the club to **** off and let him work and had the aura to get what he wanted from the players. If you've got players running behind the coaches back crying to someone else and undermining your coaching decisions then you're basically stuffed.

Certain players have obvious ego and attitude problems and by them undermining the coach they have undermined the whole team. We can easily see who those players are, they are the ones running around earning big money and doing very little and keeping their spot in the team regardless of performance.
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I agree with your second paragraph but if Wayne was getting what he wanted from players then he wanted Boyd, Milford, Nikorama, Issako, Roberts, Macca, Oates, and plenty of others to either play for shit or be hot and cold from one week to another (and sometimes all of that in one game). This season has been crap yes, but the last two seasons under Wayne were not great either, we barely scraped by and had some ugly losses and some unconvincing wins under him too.
 
LGH said:
I agree with your second paragraph but if Wayne was getting what he wanted from players then he wanted Boyd, Milford, Nikorama, Issako, Roberts, Macca, Oates, and plenty of others to either play for shit or be hot and cold from one week to another (and sometimes all of that in one game). This season has been crap yes, but the last two seasons under Wayne were not great either, we barely scraped by and had some ugly losses and some unconvincing wins under him too.
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I stand by it, tbh. He was able to draw the quality out of the players even though they weren't the best. This is why Henjak and Griffin both failed. They're both decent coaches but were being undermined behind the scenes and didn't have the same level of respect as Wayne. They were fortunate to still have some players whose pride would not let them lose consistently (Lockyer, Parker, Thaiday) but also had to deal with some players whose ego had them pushing back on the coach and his decisions (Parker, Thaiday) which undermined the coach and led to poor performances and ultimately the coach lost his job.
When Wayne was having poor performances slip in it seemed to me that he was losing his drive. Certain players were playing on big money and they were not going to be dropped on poor performance. James Roberts was and still is a nightmare to coach. He has so much potential but suffers from mental issues and is obviously not capable of remaining focused. I think Wayne's biggest flaw can be seen here and that is that he sees troubled young men and wants to draw out the best in them, but it is a long process and means that he can't be too hard on them for fear of something worse. Boyd and Roberts both have played fantastic football under Wayne but they are also enabled by Wayne. They lack the mentality of someone such as Lockyer, Thorn or Webcke whose attitude under pressure is to fight back and don't stop fighting, whereas Roberts and Boyd flip flop between having a crack, dropping their head and just going absent. Milford does this too. I think Wayne was just capable of drawing out the fighter in the team better than the other coaches have been. By that I mean that when one or two individuals in the team is dropping their heads, the rest of the team were able to keep focused. But now it's 3 or 4 individuals dropping their heads at a bad call and the rest of the team loses the fighter attitude. Unfortunately, now the players with bad attitude are also senior players whose influence is very important to our success. Those with poor resilience are now Boyd and Milford who seem to run to mummy after a game and undermine the coach (untouchable). Macca was also bad, but he at least reverted to tackle bot mode. The young guys also have it to some extent, but I don't blame them for following the lead of those who should know better. Probably the only 2 who are fighting right now are Carrigan, a very young player, and TPJ whose fighting back often leads him to make bad decisions resulting in suspension.
Anyway, Wayne was able to at least get >50% good performance from these troublesome players by pairing them with someone resilient or giving them the appearance of responsibility and trust.
 
Caniffe said:
Imagine losing Kevvie to the Cowboys because you wanted to do a EOY review to find out what you already knew.
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Interestingly according to the Courier Mail Anthony Griffin won't be considered for the Cowboys coaching job. Which might make some of the Kevin Walters backers nervous, still holding out hope of him being appointed coach of the Broncos . It does also mention in the article the Cowboys are big on Todd Paytan from his time there as an assistant coach though. And lists him as the front runner.
 
Nightwatchman said:
Interestingly according to the Courier Mail Anthony Griffin won't be considered for the Cowboys coaching job. Which might make some of the Kevin Walters backers nervous, still holding out hope of him being appointed coach of the Broncos . It does also mention in the article the Cowboys are big on Todd Paytan from his time there as an assistant coach though. And lists him as the front runner.
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I expect the cows will get on and appoint a coach sooner rather than later while our board is still dithering about what to do with siebold.
 
The Strapper said:
I expect the cows will get on and appoint a coach sooner rather than later while our board is still dithering about what to do with siebold.
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Yeah but on the flip side of the coin it was reported the Cowboys paid out a cool million to part ways with Paul Green. As Mark Geyer notes this crap about clubs wanting more money from the NRL and then burning through cash to pay out coaches not coaching is fiscally irresponsible. Especially in this ecconimic climate. Some of these clubs the way they operate is far away from realty. I know if I cost my employer a million in my job I would be shown the door.

League legend Mark Geyer has taken aim at NRL clubs for sacking coaches mid-season, especially in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
Paul Green became the third coach to exit post on Monday when North Queensland announced he would walk away immediately.

He follows Stephen Kearney at the Warriors, and Dean Pay at the Bulldogs as the three to go... and we’re only halfway through the season.

Anthony Seibold at the Broncos, Paul McGregor at the Dragons, and John Morris at the Sharks have all been under pressure to keep their jobs in recent times.


“I must confess I did not see this one coming,” Geyer told The Rush Hour on Triple M.

“I straight away thought... we’re all struggling in this game at the moment as far as money goes. I wonder where all these clubs are getting the money to pay out the coaches they’re sacking, and then buy new ones.

“Sooner or later clubs, specifically boards, have got to wake up to themselves and persevere with the predicament they are in, and stand solid with a coach.

Geyer slammed the faceless boards of NRL clubs who sack coaches when the team isn’t performing well.

“Again we hear that too often, the board,” he said.

“These guys making all these decisions certainly isn’t in the best interest of their club because they’re basically saying they can’t make the eight this year, we’re going to go out and buy another coach who can hopefully get us to the eight next year.”

www.foxsports.com.au

‘It’s all BS’: League legend says clubs sacking coaches is ‘a blight on the game’

‘It’s all BS’: League legend says clubs sacking coaches is ‘a blight on the game’
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Nightwatchman said:
Yeah but on the flip side of the coin it was reported the Cowboys paid out a cool million to part ways with Paul Green. As Mark Geyer notes this crap about clubs wanting more money from the NRL and then burning through cash to pay out coaches not coaching is fiscally irresponsible. Especially in this ecconimic climate. Some of these clubs the way they operate is far away from realty. I know if I cost my employer a million in my job I would be shown the door.

League legend Mark Geyer has taken aim at NRL clubs for sacking coaches mid-season, especially in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
Paul Green became the third coach to exit post on Monday when North Queensland announced he would walk away immediately.

He follows Stephen Kearney at the Warriors, and Dean Pay at the Bulldogs as the three to go... and we’re only halfway through the season.

Anthony Seibold at the Broncos, Paul McGregor at the Dragons, and John Morris at the Sharks have all been under pressure to keep their jobs in recent times.


“I must confess I did not see this one coming,” Geyer told The Rush Hour on Triple M.

“I straight away thought... we’re all struggling in this game at the moment as far as money goes. I wonder where all these clubs are getting the money to pay out the coaches they’re sacking, and then buy new ones.

“Sooner or later clubs, specifically boards, have got to wake up to themselves and persevere with the predicament they are in, and stand solid with a coach.

Geyer slammed the faceless boards of NRL clubs who sack coaches when the team isn’t performing well.

“Again we hear that too often, the board,” he said.

“These guys making all these decisions certainly isn’t in the best interest of their club because they’re basically saying they can’t make the eight this year, we’re going to go out and buy another coach who can hopefully get us to the eight next year.”

www.foxsports.com.au

‘It’s all BS’: League legend says clubs sacking coaches is ‘a blight on the game’

‘It’s all BS’: League legend says clubs sacking coaches is ‘a blight on the game’
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au

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It's so true.

This generation is a Now generation, they want a coach and they pay big bucks for himand think oh well, we can get a new one if we need to and to hell with the consequences if this one sucks. It's almost like they're buying coaches on Daddy's credit card or After Pay....
 
mrslong said:
It's so true.

This generation is a Now generation, they want a coach and they pay big bucks for himand think oh well, we can get a new one if we need to and to hell with the consequences if this one sucks. It's almost like they're buying coaches on Daddy's credit card or After Pay....
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Indeed. Instant gratification, discarded tissues and garbage bins.

Quick to forget that most of the top clubs have had long term coaches, most over 6 years at their clubs, and have had seasons in that time where they finished near the bottom of the table, including the Eels wooden spoon in '18 and 14th in 2016.

The only exception is the Storm. Funny about that when one contemplates who is the best coach.

Seibold, for all his flaws, and in the context of all the shit that has happened at our club, needs a bit more than 18 months before final judgement is passed.
 
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Nightwatchman said:
Yeah but on the flip side of the coin it was reported the Cowboys paid out a cool million to part ways with Paul Green. As Mark Geyer notes this crap about clubs wanting more money from the NRL and then burning through cash to pay out coaches not coaching is fiscally irresponsible. Especially in this ecconimic climate. Some of these clubs the way they operate is far away from realty. I know if I cost my employer a million in my job I would be shown the door.

League legend Mark Geyer has taken aim at NRL clubs for sacking coaches mid-season, especially in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
Paul Green became the third coach to exit post on Monday when North Queensland announced he would walk away immediately.

He follows Stephen Kearney at the Warriors, and Dean Pay at the Bulldogs as the three to go... and we’re only halfway through the season.

Anthony Seibold at the Broncos, Paul McGregor at the Dragons, and John Morris at the Sharks have all been under pressure to keep their jobs in recent times.


“I must confess I did not see this one coming,” Geyer told The Rush Hour on Triple M.

“I straight away thought... we’re all struggling in this game at the moment as far as money goes. I wonder where all these clubs are getting the money to pay out the coaches they’re sacking, and then buy new ones.
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I get your point but it’s just in our case siebold is going to cost the club a lot more by hanging around than if he was paid out even though it would be a big amount.
The board can’t or won’t face up to this so they should be punted too.
 
rnabokov said:
Indeed. Instant gratification, discarded tissues and garbage bins.

Quick to forget that most of the top clubs have had long term coaches, most over 6 years at their clubs, and have had seasons in that time where they finished near the bottom of the table, including the Eels wooden spoon in '18 and 14th in 2016.

The only exception is the Storm. Funny about that when one contemplates who is the best coach.

Seibold, for all his flaws, needs a bit more than 18 months before he is judged.
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None of those other coaches said they didn't have a clue what to do from here in a press conference though. Even Arthur who looked pissed and forlorn at times didn't shrug his shoulders and say "yeah I dunno hey"

Not that Arthur has won anything yet.
 
mrslong said:
None of those other coaches said they didn't have a clue what to do from here in a press conference though. Even Arthur who looked pissed and forlorn at times didn't shrug his shoulders and say "yeah I dunno hey"

Not that Arthur has won anything yet.
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Well, our players, individually in terms of effort, loyalty, pride, commitment aren't doing much to help
 
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